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Pierac

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Satan Talk

29 January 2013 - 10:07 PM

Pierac,

I've browsed some of your posts at this forum. Good stuff. Forgive the off-topic question, but what are your views on "satan?" Do you have equally demolishing single posts to rebutt modern Christianity's arguments in favor of a supernatural devil? Feel free to start a new topic if you wish. I'm really a neophyte with respect to Unitarianism as well as belief in a non-supernatural agent of evil called satan...always eager to learn more though!

I can share my understanding... Let me put it this way.... I do not believe in the orthodox understanding of Satan as being a fallen angel! That is scriptural B.S.

However, I also do not believe in the Christadelphians view of Satan either... To understand "Satan" in scripture... you must first seek out "evil" in scripture... the Hebrew "Ra" H7451
רעה רע... Only then can you approach this topic in a non-bias manner... leaving behind traditions of men taught by institutions. You must also see how the LXX treats this word...

Seek how evil came to be then you will begin to understand God's relation to "Satan." Only then can you understand why Satan exist!

Well maybe... that's how it worked for me anyway? :drinks:

Paul

Trinity Talk

08 January 2013 - 11:50 PM

Since I was brought here due to my Trinitarian studies... I guess it would be appropriate to share! Being a Non-Trinitarian on mostly Trinitarian sites... I assure you I have faced opposition that you would not believe!!! ... :blush:

I have perfected the art of anti-Trinitarian post... meaning cramming in the most damaging evidence into any single post against me. Let me be more clear.... If it takes you more than 1 posting to make your point on any given verse... you have already lost the debate due to the simple minded followers of men... A single fact filled post in context on any verse is a slap in the face to the traditions of men!

I'm here to help... If you have a verse Trinitarian's use against you that your having difficulty with... I'm willing to share my studies and experience... :coffee:

Allow me to offer and example...

1Co 10:1 For I do not want you to be unaware, brethren, that our fathers were all under the cloud and all passed through the sea; 2 and all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea; 3 and all ate the same spiritual food; 4 and all drank the same spiritual drink, for they were drinking from a spiritual rock which followed them; and the rock was Christ.

So in a single post explain this Trinitarian usage of scripture that Trinitarians' claim Jesus was alive and active as God in the O.T.!!!

My point is... I'm willing to share my studies... If you have a question on any given verse.... I believe I can help!

Try explaining 1Co 10:1 in a single post... It's not easy! Yet I have done it! Infact, maybe you have done it too... if so what did you say in reply... I can only offer more data to help you!

Ask and ye shall recieve... but hurry... I'm almost done with posting on forums.. you may indeed be the last discussion forum I post in... as I grow old and weary in my years.

ASK and ye shall recieve...
Paul

Masoretic text… vs… the Septuagint

27 December 2012 - 11:03 PM

What happens when you get a translator who mistranslates scripture? How about a translation that is the only accepted version allowed to be used? And what if that translation was the only Bible used for over 1000 years. Could one simple mistranslation alter our view on scripture for over 1000 years? You bet your horny Moses!

Medieval artwork sometimes portrays Moses with horns. This depiction derives from Jerome's mistranslation of verses in Exodus 34. Verse 29: "he knew not that his face was horned from the conversation of the Lord." Verse 30: "And Aaron and the children of Israel seeing the face of Moses horned, were afraid to come near." Verse 35: "And they saw that the face of Moses when he came our was horned." Rather than being "horned" Moses face "shone," as in the Old Latin and the Septuagint read.

1)(Qal) send out rays
2) (Hiphil) display (grow) horns (be fully developed).

Qaran is derived from H7161, which is a noun meaning "horn." Jerome took the basic meaning of the word and neglected its derived meaning of "to emit rays." Many times in Hebrew one must assign the meaning of a word based on its context. In Psalm 69:31 qaran is used to describe an ox or young bull. There the translation as "horn" is appropriate. But in Exodus 34:29 qaran is used in conjunction with the phrase "skin of his face." From the context of following versus the meaning as "horns" is not supported. The Apostle Paul understood this to mean "shone" and not "grew horns" as can be seen from 2 Corinthians 3:7-13.

Jerome translated the Latin Vulgate, which was the official bible of the Catholic Church for well over 1000 years.

Take a look at Michelangelo's Moses at the Cistene Chapel Masoretic text… vs… the Septuagint

https://encrypted.go...w=1920&bih=1054

Yes, for over 1000 years the Masoretic text gave us a horney Moses!!!

Now, the time for fun and games are over…. Let’s get down to the biblical truth…... The Masoretic text… vs… the Septuagint

Pierac

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