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JonSAdams

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In Topic: Romans 8:29-30

15 April 2013 - 06:51 PM

Please justify this claim. I see no reason why free will would limit God's power and will.
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If God set a rule in place(free-will) that he could not break because he wanted us to choose what is good. As soon as he sends his Holy Spirit to give the people the heart to believe, he would break this rule.

My bible teachers taught me while I was younger that God can not make decisions for you, but then reading the story of Saul/Paul when Jesus came to him, it was pretty clear Paul didn't have a choice.

In Topic: Romans 8:29-30

15 April 2013 - 03:45 PM

Evangelion. said, The only thing predestinated, or foreordained, is that those who love God as revealed in Christ shall become Christlike in life, and like Christ in eternity. This is the only decree in the passage.

Evangelion.

Everyone would agree with me when I say that God has limitless power, there is no law that governs him. To say this, having a free will would limit God's holy and prefect will being done, it would also limit his power.

There is a verse that describes this a little better.

Romans 3:9-11
9 What shall we conclude then? Do we have any advantage? Not at all! For we have already made the charge that Jews and Gentiles alike are all under the power of sin. 10 As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one; 11 there is no one who understands; there is no one who seeks God.

This verse describes how every human from Adam has been in constant rebellion from Christ. Highlighted red is the most important part, "There is no one who seeks God."

Reading the 53rd Psalm in verses 2,3 it talks about how God looks down from heaven to see if anyone understood, any who seek God. He goes on to say the everyone has turned away.

Ecclesiastics 7:20 There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right(Choosing God) and never sins.

I was taught free-will as a student in private school. I asked my teachers to support free-will with verses. They could never respond, we assumed we have it.


I will leave you with these verse to respond.

John 6:65
For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.



I hope this opens the door for more conversation.

In Topic: Election Vs Free-will

15 April 2013 - 02:50 PM

Thanks will go check it out.

In Topic: Election Vs Free-will

13 April 2013 - 07:13 PM

Oh, sorry about that, Jon. It's located in a restricted section of the forum. Let me talk with the forum member who posted it. If they aren't opposed to me posting it here, I'll do that ASAP.


Thanks.

In Topic: Election Vs Free-will

13 April 2013 - 07:06 PM

Thanks for explaining and providing verses. Yeah, you probably won't find anyone here supporting your position. Here is a thread on this forum that sums up how Christadelphians see predestination and election.

Romans 8:29-30


The link you provided gave me this below.

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