Janey

 

 

...acclamatory or doxologica...

 

   Sounds like "vain repetitions" to me 

 

 

 

"...should share the same desire to glorify the Great Mystery as that held by the ancient Church."

 

And what exactly would the writer of this be referring to here pray tell? 

1 Corinthians 1:17–31

That passage does not say that people who are completely ignorant of the languages in which it was written, will understand it better not only than those who are well trained and skilled in those languages, but also better than the original audience. It does not say anything like that. You are abusing Scripture gratuitously.

I am not abusing Scripture Fort I quoted this passage to highlight the way we are taught to view the wisdom of Men. Please see my post to Flappie.

If we put our trust and faith in the wisdom of this world it will do us no good.

1 Corinthians 3:18–19
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Could you explain how I am being "evil" please?

You're deliberately misrepresenting him, and have done throughout this thread.

This sort of question has been denied several times:

Where do we find in scripture the teaching that unless a person is a professional theologian they can not really understand the word of god?

So why keep asking things like that?

The point has consistently been that experts in Greek/Hebrew will be far more capable of understanding the original text than people who don't even have a basic understanding of those languages. This does not mean that said translators are better able to understand the word of God than non-experts, or that non-experts can't understand the word of God, assuming of course that they have access to a decent translation!.

Thank you Flappie, I should be more careful with my use of words

If I drop "theologian" and stick with "professional" would you accept my statement as true?

The argument that informs much of what is said here is that we must be or listen to "professionals".

The problem is not with consulting Greek/Hebrew Lexicons; but with presuming that "professionals" who do not know the Truth are better qualified to guide us than those that have been converted.

The same can be said of consulting "professional" scientists' and "professional Theologians", and allowing them to dictate how we should understand the word of God. (I understand this is slightly off topic but I am not going to start a new one).

The problem is exalting the wisdom of Men over the Wisdom of God.

God is able to make a Simple man wise; and a wise Man simple.

Psalm 19:7 The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

1 Corinthians 3:18–19
18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
19 For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.

Ahh yes the "Laity" where do we find that in scripture?

Wherever Scripture refers to the unlearned, untutored, and unskilled.

Where do we find in scripture the teaching that unless a person is a professional theologian they can not really understand the word of god? />/>/>/>/>

No one here is saying any such thing. And this thread has been focused on lexicography, not theology. More relevant to ask the question 'Where do we find in Scripture the teaching that people who are completely ignorant of the languages in which it was written, will understand it better not only than those who are well trained and skilled in those languages, but also better than the original audience?'.

1 Corinthians 1:17–31
17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.
22 For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom:
23 But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness;
24 But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:
31 That, according as it is written, He that glorieth, let him glory in the Lord.

Fort

Thank you for all the info; only just had time to get back to this thread.

Just one observation that I think highlights the "back story" of many of the arguments current on this forum

This how one layman misleads another.

Ahh yes the "Laity" where do we find that in scripture?

Where do we find in scripture the teaching that unless a person is a professional theologian they can not really understand the word of god? />/>/>

Please stop being evil. His comment referred to translators, not people trying to understand the word of God.

Could you explain how I am being "evil" please?

Fort

Thank you for all the info; only just had time to get back to this thread.

Just one observation that I think highlights the "back story" of many of the arguments current on this forum

This how one layman misleads another.

Ahh yes the "Laity" where do we find that in scripture?

Where do we find in scripture the teaching that unless a person is a professional theologian they can not really understand the word of god?