Davvers

We recently attended a presentation organised by our ecclesia by Dr Garth Gilmour of Oxford University and he likewise said it was premature to talk of this as David's palace but was likely to be the remnants of the citadel he conquered.

 

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latter-day gathering?

Thanks Fort

 

It was the AYBD entry on the Chedorlaomer texts which sent me off on the direction of names being inserted later, however on balance, the historical probability of Elam's strength at this time and that the names are typical of the regions they are supposed to belong to, leads me to conclude there is no reason to question their authenticity.

 

There obviously are all sorts of later glosses to the text in things like Ur (of the Chaldeans).

 

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I have already posted two verses showing God forgiving sin through animal sacrifice sin atonement.

No, this does not prove your claim. Your extraordinary claim is that there was a change from blood-based to repentance-based forgiveness. Provide evidence of this change occurring and when or stop making claims with no evidence.

I have also asked you to show repentance was additionally required from the relevant verses which you haven't provided yet.

Done, please see earlier posts. Until you can provide evidence for the change you're claiming, the verses I provided prove my point. Last chance.

This has nothing to do with sin atonement given within the law of Moses

It illustrates that your claim of a change is bogus.

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Yes I have, you just assumed I didn't think it was better, which is a strange assumption to make.

 

 

Well I can only go on what you've been saying.

 

Those are all after the change. I'm asking for earlier scripture that is related to the actual sacrifices and sin atonement obviously. Exodus through Deut. will suffice I think.

 

 

No, this is your claim. It is unusual, not supported by consensus commentary (of any theology) and therefore the onus is on you to prove there was a change and when it happened.  Please support your extraordinary claim or stop making it.
 
I can go earlier than Exodus - what about the difference between Cain and Abel's offerings? Was it just that one involved blood and the other didn't? No - consider the NT comment on them both. 
 
“By faith Abel offered to God a more acceptable sacrifice than Cain, through which he was commended as righteous, God commending him by accepting his gifts. And through his faith, though he died, he still speaks.” (Hebrews 11:4, ESV)  
 
“We should not be like Cain, who was of the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own deeds were evil and his brother’s righteous.” (1 John 3:12, ESV)
 
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