Most peoples concept of justice includes concept of fairness or tit for tat, exactly what is tit for tat about being born in a village just down the hill from a volcano and being overcome burned alive?
God is not obliged to make absolutely everything absolutely wonderful for absolutely everybody.
That's not justice.
Even secular society will agree that this is not justice.
Why does it need to be tit for tat? I don't believe that even secular justice is limited to so primitive a concept. Indeed, secular justice is largely utilitarian; "tit for tat" has been replaced with "the greatest good for the greatest number."
And if someone is born next to a volcano, it's because someone else chose to build a village next to a volcano. So they should be blaming the people who built the village, not God.
What exactly is just about a huge tsunami wiping out people and their homes?
Absolutely nothing. It's not just; it's not un
just. It's simply nature at work.
If a pigeon excretes on your car but not on your neighbour's car, would you call that "unjust"? Should God be ensuring an even distribution of guano throughout the suburban areas?
if god is in control of nature surely he can make laws that govern it that protect people from harm from things that have no bearing on their free will. Nothing is beyond gods power. The fact is, the reality that exists is simply insane by any intelligent standard. If we were god and were desigining reality and had infinite energy and capability, we certainly wouldn't design it like this. After all being god, any reality, with any kind of rules is possible because of the infinite and inexhaustable source of energy to power any kind of physics or laws you would need for the perfect reality, after all most believers in god believe god can do anything they imagine, and even beyond their imaginations, if this is the case, then god has a really limited imagination. A mundane universe of exploding stars and geological and cosmic disasters is not exactly the ideal universe. That's all you need to argue that the bibles god simply does not exist in any real objective sense.
Why do you believe that God is obliged to make absolutely everything absolutely wonderful for absolutely everyone? Why do you believe that God is obliged to create a perfect reality straight away? How is this "justice"?
It's not "justice", Mord; it's merely an unrealistic utopia.
"I don't want to live in a world where anything bad happens; I don't want to stub my toe, drop a plate, lose my dog, break a nail, catch a cold or have a bad hair day. And if I do
live in such a world, that's unjust!"
Can't you see how facile this notion is?
Why exactly to you need human intermediaries and 1000 years to write a book when you're omnipotent and omniscient creator of the universe who knows all past presents and futures, have all presently existing and future technology at your command, why exactly would you use a book and slow inefficient and dumb beings to save peoples lives? It's like sending drunk people off the street to perform surgeries on people in hospitals. It's ridiculously stupid any way you slice it.
You don't need
them; it's simply how God chose to do it.
First you have
1) The enormous failure rate of people to believe in him (but wait he's omnipotent and DESIGNED the human brain, so in effect, he's responsible for their disbelief by proxy because of bad design of the brain)
2) People dont pick where or who they are born to
3) People dont pick what diseases they get or natural disasters that are inflicted upon them by god (since he's in control of nature and the bible says he sustains it, and is also omnipotent).
4) God doesn't get tired, it takes no effort on his part to change or control reality and make it non-violent, how can violence be viewed as a sign of intelligence in a godlike being? Violence is only necessary for animals that are dependent competing for limited resources, why exactly does god need violence and a finite creation of limited resources being a self-sustaining entity with infinite energy? It makes no sense at all, for being around for an eternity the bible god sure is bloody ignorant and sloppier then any human engineer or english major I know in picking the right technology and right people to represent him and spread his saving message to mankind.
Which only further adds more questions, why send a men to do a gods job while people are living and dying waiting for little sects to travel to distant places to educate the barbarians?
Because if you absolve humanity of all responsibility and effort, you end up with (a) mindless automatons, and/or (b) a largely deterministic universe.
Neither of which can be equated with "justice" in any form.