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#1 Sammo

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 01:00 AM

Hi all

Apologies if this has been discussed elsewhere; I did search but didn't find anything.

Am wondering if anyone has a quick way to reconcile the accounts of the call of the four disciples in Matt/Mark and Luke? Matthew and Mark both have Jesus calling Peter and Andrew first, then walking a little further and separately calling James and John, but Luke has all four of them involved at the same time with the big catch of fish. Any ideas?

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Posted 31 August 2013 - 01:16 AM

(And why does Mark have the healing of Peter's mother in law after the calling, but Luke has it before? I'd question if these were even the same event if it didn't say in both Mark and Luke that they "forsook their nets"?)

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:03 AM

I'm not sure we can, or should try to, reconcile the order of events in the gospels. The gospel writers didn't put everything in chronological order, but seem to have a more thematic approach (some more than others).
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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:17 AM

^^ I agree with Flappie.
'Abba Antony said, "A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us.'"'

Ward, Benedicta. The Sayings of the Desert Fathers (2006), Antony 25, p. 5.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 12:45 AM

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#6 Sammo

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:26 AM

I'm not sure we can, or should try to, reconcile the order of events in the gospels. The gospel writers didn't put everything in chronological order, but seem to have a more thematic approach (some more than others).

Thanks Flappie. That would explain the healing of Peter's mother in law appearing both before and after the calling of the disciples, but how do we explain that at first glance Matt/Mark and Luke appear to have two mutually exclusive versions of the same story (the calling of Peter/Andrew and James/John)? I'm trying to build up a story of the conversion of John, and it's hard to know which gospel to follow.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 01:52 AM

I'm trying to build up a story of the conversion of John, and it's hard to know which gospel to follow.


My instinct is to follow the one which offers the most detail.
'Abba Antony said, "A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us.'"'

Ward, Benedicta. The Sayings of the Desert Fathers (2006), Antony 25, p. 5.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:21 AM

Thanks, yes I think I'll do that.

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 02:59 AM

I'm not sure we can, or should try to, reconcile the order of events in the gospels. The gospel writers didn't put everything in chronological order, but seem to have a more thematic approach (some more than others).


I'd agree with this. I've recently written something up in this regard on Matthew 8-9 - see attached.

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#10 Flappie

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Posted 01 September 2013 - 06:05 AM

What Ev said. Luke just mentions James and John very briefly as people who were amazed. Jesus doesn't actually call them there as such.

Edited by Flappie, 01 September 2013 - 06:05 AM.

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