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#1 Sakura ShinRa

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 02:58 AM

Hello everyone,

I'm new here, and although I'm an athiest personally, I have a great respect for the beliefs of others and have no interest in trying to disprove or debunk anyone's faith. I'm also an anthropologist, and very interested in theology, religious history, and symbolism. Recently, I was watching repeats of the sci fi show X-files and mention was made of the devil having disciples of his own just as Jesus had disciples. It was a passing remark and not much information was given.
Now I've read the bible myself, albeit some time ago, and recall no mention of satan having any disciples.
Can anyone clarify this issue for me because it's really bugging me now. I tried googling and found nothing but films and motorcycle gangs, and I can't look up my own bible as it was one of the many things I lost in the Christchurch earthquake. (For those who don't know, in February 2011 there was a large earthquake in Christchurch, New Zealand which decimated the city and killed over 100 people). I have subsequently left the city and am slowly rebuilding my life but I have not gotten around to purchasing another bible yet as there are other items that simply have to take precedence, and my budget is tight.

So if anyone can tell me whether or not the devil had disciples, and if so, what their names were, I would be very grateful.

Thank you very much


Sakura

#2 Fortigurn

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:01 AM

Welcome. :)

Now I've read the bible myself, albeit some time ago, and recall no mention of satan having any disciples.


Correct. That's found nowhere in the Bible. The Biblical description of the devil is in fact significantly different to the views adopted by later Christianity.

An interesting and still useful read on the development of diabolism within the Christian tradition (as well as the distinctive Jewish and Christian minority tradition denying the existence of such a supernatural being), is 'History of the Devil, by Paul Carus. Very readable, and generally reliably accurate (I added a qualification because his lexicography and some finer historical details should be checked with a modern scholarly source).

Edited by Fortigurn, 16 August 2012 - 03:05 AM.


#3 Sakura ShinRa

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:14 AM

Welcome. :)

Now I've read the bible myself, albeit some time ago, and recall no mention of satan having any disciples.


Correct. That's found nowhere in the Bible. The Biblical description of the devil is in fact significantly different to the views adopted by later Christianity.

An interesting and still useful read on the development of diabolism within the Christian tradition (as well as the distinctive Jewish and Christian minority tradition denying the existence of such a supernatural being), is 'History of the Devil, by Paul Carus. Very readable, and generally reliably accurate (I added a qualification because his lexicography and some finer historical details should be checked with a modern scholarly source).


Thank you so much for that information. I was sure there was nothing about the devil having disciples in the bible but it's always good to have outside confirmation. I will try to get a hold of the book you mentioned.

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:20 AM

It is downloadable in plain text format here: http://bit.ly/SqwkFA

Kindle format is here: http://amzn.to/SqwmNP
'Abba Antony said, "A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us.'"'

Ward, Benedicta. The Sayings of the Desert Fathers (2006), Antony 25, p. 5.

Credo.

#5 Fortigurn

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Posted 16 August 2012 - 03:27 AM

Thank you so much for that information. I was sure there was nothing about the devil having disciples in the bible but it's always good to have outside confirmation. I will try to get a hold of the book you mentioned.


You're welcome. I linked to an online HTML version. :)

#6 jambrez

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Posted 17 August 2012 - 12:30 AM

I have subsequently left the city and am slowly rebuilding my life but I have not gotten around to purchasing another bible yet as there are other items that simply have to take precedence, and my budget is tight.


Hey Sakura, sorry to hear of your troubles. Should you have moved to Auckland, or find yourself in this area one weekend, feel free to come to one of our bible seminars, (friday evenings in New Lynn) if this is something you'd be interested in. We could probably even find you a spare bible.
I realise this may not be your cup of tea, and only mention it because you maybe in the area and some of the topics may be of interest to you, having recently looked at the biblical concept of Satan (we're currently in hell, so to speak)
There's no conversion expectation, in fact no expectation at all. We just enjoy a good dialogue, and it seems we enjoy talking about some of the same things: theology, religious history, symbolism and anthropology. Anyhow if this is something that tickles your fancy, in a seminar context and/or over coffee or a beer send me a message. Otherwise, look forward to seeing some more of your posts on here.
James

Edited by jambrez, 17 August 2012 - 02:20 PM.





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