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#21 Mercia2

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 03:44 AM

I just emailed Rowan to ask why he did not despatch a great battle horse into the heart of thr battle (i.e one of their theologians who can actually deal with the questions).

I will let you know if he responds although I am not holding my breath.

Re: BBC TV -- The Big Questions, March 12th, GOD ON TRIAL

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> Dear Archbishop, I refer to the BBCs' Big Questions on March 12th, Sunday morning TV in which God is put on trial and no Anglican theologian is sent who can answer the questions.
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This subject of suffering is so important they should have forced their best man on their, they are so lukewarm when it comes to defending the Word.
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/

#22 Mercia2

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Posted 26 March 2011 - 04:53 PM

Would I cope? I have absolutely no idea. Once you work as a doctor

That is one of my big regrets in life, not training as a doctor when I had the chance.
"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/

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Posted 27 March 2011 - 02:03 PM

I wlways wanted to work in medicine until oneday at school during biology class I fainted during a dissection of a rabbit.
Later, after leaving school, a British TV drama called "Angels" graced our Kiwi screens and that only further put me off due to the bullying some of the nurses inflicted upon their more gentle & caring workmates.

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Do all to the glory of God. Read His word prayerfully, think about it, meditate upon it and do.

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Posted 10 May 2011 - 03:50 PM

I'm sure most people have caught up with the latest update from Dallas Wiens, where he showed his new face to the world. Link here - there is a graphic 'before' photograph, so don't click if you are easily disturbed. More below:



Again, while this is a heartwarming story, and an example of how amazing medical science is (yes, I would say that), it is Dallas' response to unimaginable tragedy that is the real point to this. He has stated more than once that he's a better person for what has happened. One case does not make a robust theodicy - not by a long shot. However, it does show that there is no perfect metric by which one can judge evil and suffering. Sometimes, there is a reason for unimaginable suffering that makes sense to that person, even if it mystifies others.
“I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.” - Galileo Galilei

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Posted 14 May 2011 - 02:39 PM

This story is heartbreaking, when I saw the love in the face of his 4 year old daughter shown to her father with his new face I got quite emotional, as I always do when children are involved, this story is both heart warming and yet still utterly tragic and heartbreaking, he still has no eyes, he will never see his child grow up.

He was painting a church, a good looking young man and an electric shock fron nearby power cables burnt his face off. I immediately agonized over this, could God not have intervened? sent an angel? just for that fleeting moment to avert contact with the electrical cables? why? Is this mans suffering and pain and others like him worth my happiness? the preservation of free will and moral autonomy?

Then in my agony I remembered Gen 6, and Gods anguish for man made suffering has to also include an anguish even more so when that misfortune is not malicously man made but accidental. So in the sense of God saving this man from touching live cables He did not intervene. Yet I do believe God and His power = His angels are intervening in this world at a level just below any threshold of proof as to not effect free will and moral autonomy.

I believe angels do not so much avert tradgedy but vist unaware to the bereaved, in our grief and in moments of personal crisis in our lives, without doubt if we cry out for God in those moments. Infact I know this to be the case as it happened to me as I cried out for the Holy Spirit in such a moment. Yet if I walk in front of a train would that same angel intervene to save me in that literalist way? I don't think so, but I feel confident if my loved ones were grieving beyond what they could cope than an angel would be with them, unknown to them, strengthening them.

I remember reading with interest about how at his lowest moment, one of the Lebanon hostages held by Hezbollah, fell to his knees, despite being an agnostic, and cried out to God, in that moment of personal crisis he recounts a powerful spiritual experience where he says he was immediately "strengthened", but not just in some self hypnotic pychological sense but almost physiological as well. When he said thiss I knew exactly what he was talking about and I knew he was visited by an angel, at that moment of personal dispair, because the same happened to me, because when I was visited the angel immediately stregthened me by doing something with my solar plexis which immediately affected/changed my emotional disposition. Just as Gerry Mcarthay describes - http://www.enlighten...ing-freedom.asp

As weeks turned into months, the unremitting darkness, cramped isolation, and deepening cycles of fear and despair began to take their toll. One night, desperately teetering on the verge of a total breakdown, he was suddenly overwhelmed by a profound spiritual presence. The utterly life-affirming grace of this experience infused him with a deep confidence that he could and would survive his hellish ordeal.


So going back to the man who lost his face and is now blind, I saw Gods intervention in the incredible strength and love this family have, that I more than admire, but could not imagine emulating in this mans circumstance, (unless God intervened in a way that did NOT effect free will and moral autonomy), i.e in a corporatly OBSERVABLE way, and changed my emotional disposition so I could act with the strength displayed by this man and his 4 year old daughter.

When I watched this story on TV what struck me is when the man said of his 4 year old daughter "none of this has phased her at all, she loved me as I was and now", and when she saw his new face she said 'daddy you are so handsome', but I could see the little girl looking through his dark glasses to see if her daddy had his eyes back. So sad. Yet he joked about the hospital lasagne, he seemed ok, maybe happy, and in all of that I recognised Gods intervention, I believe you see the hints of intervention in these such cases..

In the preface to his book An Evil Cradling, Brian Keenan writes that at the heart of their shared ordeal there lay an implicit paradox: that “in the most inhuman of circumstances men grow and deepen in humanity.” Both An Evil Cradling and Some Other Rainbow, John McCarthy's own candid account, are deeply moving testaments to the power of the human spirit to prevail in the darkest of dark nights.

Chained alongside each other by their wrists and feet in the confines of a squalid subterranean cell—not knowing why they were being held or if they would ever be released—McCarthy and Keenan endured a grinding monotony and unimaginable degradation. “We both instinctively knew never to share weakness until you understood it,” writes Brian Keenan. “'Share only strength' was an unspoken motto between us.” Together they fought for their dignity in the face of their erratic fundamentalist captors, mostly young men whose behavior could morph without warning from disarming expressions of warmth to gratuitous acts of violence.
http://www.enlighten...ing-freedom.asp


"If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!” = "Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation?" = "Bless the LORD, O my soul. O LORD my God, thou art very great; thou art clothed with honour and majesty. Who maketh His angels spirits; his ministers a flaming fire" Psalms (104:1) = "They saw what seemed to be flames of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them." Acts 2 - the secret is over, your ministering angel you need to be saved is the Holy Spirit.

Who Is the Holy Spirit?
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/20950-holy-spirit-mercia/

Mark Of The Beast - his Name is the charachter/image of the medievil popes (now modern man)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/4997-mark-of-the-beast/page__pid__439951__st__120#entry439951

Historicists - Dual Fulfillment (seven thunders = more literal warning)
http://www.btdf.org/forums/topic/14248-historicists-revelation-has-a-dual-fulfillment/




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