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Posted 19 November 2007 - 07:11 PM

God gave all mankind a Free Will.

Many people are born into different religions depending where they are born.

Would say a Buddhist or Muslem for example, have as much chance of receiving God's Blessings as a Christian because they equally devoted themselves to their concept of God?

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 05:41 AM

What do you mean by blessings? All men recieve the blessings from God in the form of Creation, life etc. However not all men will recieve eternal life (a gift from God - Rom 6 vs. 23). Men and women who live their lives to God's commands, i.e. after baptism, will be granted a place in the Kingdom as immortal beings subject to their faith in this life. Eternal life is subject to a man's faith, and it is by this that he is accounted righteous. Therefore, although Muslims and Buddhists do serve their God, their service is in vain because their God is false.

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 04:38 PM

The thing about free will is that it's an illusion.

We can make a choice from among a number of choices offered to us but that which we choose always has a cause. We cannot make an uncaused choice, just to even try to make an uncaused choice has the cause of trying to make an uncaused choice.

Having "free will" means we can make uncaused choices but since we cannot make uncaused choices, free will is only an illusion, so that we think we have free will when we actually do not.

Now, if God exists and he has the Sovereign Will, as the Bible says, then only his will will be done, no matter what we choose to do.

Pharoah chose to let the people go but it was not God's will that he let the people go, so God "hardened his heart" so that he would not let the people go. Pharoah had no choice in the matter, no free will.

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 05:03 PM

Pharoah chose to let the people go but it was not God's will that he let the people go, so God "hardened his heart" so that he would not let the people go. Pharoah had no choice in the matter, no free will.


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Pharoah already made clear what his thoughts about the matters were. God only pushed him a little further along the path that he had chosen for himself. Stiffened his resolve in a moment of weakness as it were.
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Posted 20 November 2007 - 08:39 PM

The thing about free will is that it's an illusion.

If you live in a country that drives on the Left hand side of the road and you choose by your Free Will to drive on the Right hand side, is that an illusion?

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Posted 20 November 2007 - 09:46 PM

The thing about free will is that it's an illusion.

We can make a choice from among a number of choices offered to us but that which we choose always has a cause. We cannot make an uncaused choice, just to even try to make an uncaused choice has the cause of trying to make an uncaused choice.

Newtonian physics might tell you that but Quantum physics might give you a different answer.

(He says, not being a physicist, but it sounds good :damien: )

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 03:07 PM

The thing about free will is that it's an illusion.

If you live in a country that drives on the Left hand side of the road and you choose by your Free Will to drive on the Right hand side, is that an illusion?

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No, that's not an illusion, that's just making the choice to do that. You have two choices in this case, drive on the right or drive on the left. Free will has nothing to do with it. The cause of driving on the wrong side is clearly a person just wanting to defy the law. All choices have a cause, that's why there is no free will.

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 03:14 PM

The thing about free will is that it's an illusion.

We can make a choice from among a number of choices offered to us but that which we choose always has a cause. We cannot make an uncaused choice, just to even try to make an uncaused choice has the cause of trying to make an uncaused choice.

Newtonian physics might tell you that but Quantum physics might give you a different answer.

(He says, not being a physicist, but it sounds good :damien: )


Actually, what tells me that is psychology. It is a psychological impossibility to make an uncaused choice. Every choice we make in our everyday life has a cause.

For example, a person who has never heard of Jesus Christ cannot make a free will choice to believe in Jesus Christ. The person would first have to be given that belief as a choice in order for him to choose between believing and not believing.

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 04:01 PM

. . ., that's why there is no free will.

Free Will allows you the freedom to 'make a choice'

We are not zombies with no choices.

I do believe however that our choices are confined with regard to God.

Obey and Live

Disobey and die

Sitting on the fence is still a choice, however it is fundamentally a 'disobey' choice.

Adam likewise was given an informed Free Will choice.

Gen. 2:16 - 17 KJV

Obey and live, disobey and perish.

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 05:31 PM

You're redefining free will Corky.

The general definition of free will is that someone's choice (the outcome that is) is not predetermined.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that free will means having the ability to make an uncaused choice?
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Posted 21 November 2007 - 08:41 PM

You're redefining free will Corky.

The general definition of free will is that someone's choice (the outcome that is) is not predetermined.

Do you have any evidence to suggest that free will means having the ability to make an uncaused choice?


Here is a definition from the Heritage dictionary:

"The power of making free choices that are unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will."

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Posted 21 November 2007 - 10:26 PM

Unconstrained by external circumstances or by an agency such as fate or divine will != uncaused.
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